Islam and the question of it’s relation to democracy is not a new subject. It is in fact one of the seminal and important discussions going on within and outside the Muslim world today. In this light I want to share an important dialogue on the topic between some extraordinary and extremely diverse intellectuals: Sadiq Al’Assam, Abdol Karim Soroush, and Tariq Ramadan that took place recently in Holland. Sadiq Al’Assam is an atheistic materialist thinker who wrote a controversial critique of Edward Said’s Orientalism and other books. Abdol Karim Soroush is a religious intellectual and a leading reformer from the Shia’ tradition in Iran. Tariq Ramadan is a controversial intellectual who has written many books and articles and is also a leading reformist and revivalist from the Sunni tradition. All of these thinkers have a background in Philosophy and Islam.
This is the sort of dialogue, and the sort of interlocutors that I had hoped to see come together in conversation but for some time now it hasn’t materialized. In America usually all we see are some think tanks or special interest groups sponsoring a few “scholars” who are usually nothing but Islamophobes or deeply biased individuals to speak on the subject. Personally, I wish the discussion were lengthier but it was a good starting point and hit many key points.
It started off with a very good question, “what is your personal relationship with the Qur’an, how do you read it?” Sadiq responded that he views the Qur’an as any other great piece of literature and he does not ascribe any magical qualities to it. He understands it better when it is read aloud rather than in silent reading. He also made the point that Muslims aren’t 24 hours Muslim and that this is impossible and something ‘for the angels’. Soroush responded to this by stating that, “religion is something that is in deep connection with your personality, and if someone is a real believer he is 24 hours a believer…whether you are a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim or whoever and you are a deep believer, you are a 24 hour believer even in your dreams you see your Prophets, your God your whatever.” Tariq also addressed Sadiq’s fallacy by pointing out that there seems to be an issue of semantics here. He tells Sadiq that it seems you are confusing being Muslim with being perfect. To be Muslim does not mean to be perfect. “I can be Muslim even with my struggles, with my weaknesses, when I am betraying myself, and when I am trying to be better. It is a question of life.”
Soroush then describes his relationship with the Qur’an and states that it is a very extraordinary book and though he is coming to it from a second language, since his mother tongue is Persian, he still understands it’s beauties. He says that the main purpose aside from the legal and historical aspects of the Qur’an is to liberate reason.
“Reason is important but a liberated reason. A reason in chains: in chain to lust, in chain to greed is no kind of reason. It is a reason in bondage…By liberating your reason you become a free person in a very true sense of the word and then you can philosophize and become whoever you want.”
This is an idea or concept I would like to hear more about from Soroush.
Soroush speaks about Rumi and the Masnavi as being a parallel Qur’an and not in the sense of commentary but plainly as another Qur’an! Quite an extraordinary statement, but what does he mean by this? What Rumi was “asserting was that some people will be guided by this book and some people will be misguided by this book.” Which is similar to a verse in the Quran which says the same thing. One question that this does raise is that what about the Quranic challenge which says, “Bring something like it then if you are indeed truthful, but you will never be able to bring the like thereof,“ speaking about the uniqueness, inimitability and incapacitating nature of the Qur’an.
In stark contrast to Soroush’s heterodox equation of Qur’an with Masnavi, Tariq brings it back to the foundational creed. The Qur’an is the very word of God. It is a revelation, in one point in history God sent the Qur’an after other revelations as the final revelation. He says,
“For me this is central. Very often the perception is that because we believe that it is the very word of God we are not to use reason as it is and there is no real rationality, this is wrong. Here we have to distinguish between 3 levels. The Qur’an is not a scientific book, it is a book that in the first dimension, its purpose is to remind us of the meaning of life which is a spiritual message. This spiritual message is universal, it is trans-historical. It is dealing with a central question and I find in the Qur’an a central answer. Why are you here? What is your answer to the quest for meaning? I find it in the Qur’an, because there is One God to Him you belong and to Him you are going back. Then there is something that is connected to this that is the moral dimension, ‘remember that there are things that are good: respect towards people, try not to lie, try to be consistent, try to respect human beings and know that from the very beginning that humanity is one.’ One God, One Book, One humanity…then there is something that is connected here that I want to mention and I don’t want to disconnect from the Qur’an and rationality, three times and mainly two times it is mentioned that, ‘Beware, that your hearts have a sort of reason, you understand with your heart.’ The third dimension, is that we cannot forget that this book has a historical dimension. Here we need to come to a rational understanding, which is the dialectical process between text and context. Here reason is absolutely central and unavoidable.”
Islam and Democracy
Soroush starts off by saying the question is not about an ‘Islamic’ Democracy. It cannot be said that the Prophet (pbuh) came “preaching Democracy.” This is according to him “ahistorical” and absurd and no one is really calling now a days for Democracy because it is from Islam. Tariq said this was ‘disputable’ because you have examples of people who go to the text and try to create a bridge of understanding between the different universes of references, such as Nahna in Algeria saying our word is “Shura-cracy.” The real question according to them both and Sadiq didn’t voice a disagreement to this is, ‘Whether Muslims can have a democratic political system?’ Soroush says it is quite possible and quite compatible for Muslims to have a just democratic system. He lays out some commonalities and parallels and Tariq adds some principles to it.
Islam and Democracy: some commonalities and parallels-
- Seperation of Powers
- Independence of the Judiciary- even more important then elections because you can have ‘elections’ in dictatorships.
- Accountability of the Ruler
- Equal citizenship
- Universal suffrage
- Rule of law
Issues and contradictions between Islam and Democracy:
- Right to Legislate- In Religious Democracies one doesn’t have the absolute right to legislate because you already have a whole bunch of regulations and rules coming from God.
a. Ans: One possible solution is that these rules are like the constitution, you can’t change the constitution but inside the constitution you have some mechanism for maneuver
b. Sadiq, in rebuttal to the point that ‘one can have complete Islam and Democracy without compromising any Islamic principles’ brought up the issues of Ahl-Al’Dhimma and Slavery, as what he termed Islamic principles that must be shed in order to have a Democracy. Essentially he said it is false to say one does not have to leave any Islamic principles to attain a democracy-> Soroush replied that these are not principles but small legal points.
A key question that was left unaddressed because of time constraints came from the female moderator:
“We have to be consistent on the principles, but once you have a conflict of principles to what authority do you turn to resolve that conflict and can you turn to religious authority or is religious authority privatized, in that in the societies that we create and in our debates and conflicts in our societies we do not turn to religious authorities”
Sadiq’s strongest point though I don’t know about the strength of its relevancy was when he stated: “
For me it is much more straight forward and honest to say that parliaments, elections, separation of powers, state sovereignty, the idea of the nation state are basically modern European institutions that we have taken over. People like you go about finding explanations, arguments, justifications, rationalizations, in order to naturalize, acclimatize these institutions that have to come to us. Have you ever heard of a republic in the history of Islam.”
I would have been interested in the response of the other two to this statement.
The point about the language of Religion and Democracy was foreshadowed by Tariq, but Soroush did a fine job in expounding upon it further. For me this was an integral and deep point:
“The language of Islam and all religions is a language of duties and obligations and responsibilities, whereas the language of democracy is a language of rights. So an ‘Islamic democracy’ is the combination of two things that are seemingly contradictory, but as all the well educated people know there is no real contradiction between rights and responsibilities. Too much emphasis on rights may marginalize duties. Too much emphasis on duties may marginalize rights, but always we have to strike a balance between the two. I think too much emphasis on rights has mislead many of the democratic societies to the extent that now a days you have to draft a declaration of human responsibilities. I was in the interaction council…in Vienna, this council has been working for 25 years. 10 years ago they drafted a declaration of Human Responsibility. A number of politicians as well as a number of religious leaders from around the world because they thought that there was already a short coming in the Declaration of Human Rights, because it was lacking the element of responsibility. We badly lack it and badly need it. None of the European countries accepted it. Here it comes in that religions tell you more about your responsibilities than your rights. They ease the way to responsibility.”
This last point was important because it brings a reality check to all those who espouse the superiority of Western Democracies and to those who are all too comfortable in the way things are presently. It brings up a real fault that Muslims who are pondering this question and this puzzle should contemplate over and learn from. It is also one of the reasons why in our materialistic, consumerist societies people are so apathetic and self-absorbed in the attitude of “who cares,” and “it doesn’t affect me so why should I bother with it.” Balance is non-existant, and as the Faith of Balance we must promote both rights and responsibilites and not over emphasize one over the other. This is dangerous and there needs to be a rejuvenation of self-criticism in the West on these issues. One instance of this manifesting itself in the recent past was over the Danish Cartoon controversy, which highlighted these issues.
October 31, 2007 at 1:53 am
“Islam and Democracy: some commonalities and parallels-
1. Seperation of Powers
2. Independence of the Judiciary- even more important then elections because you can have ‘elections’ in dictatorships.
3. Accountability of the Ruler
4. Equal citizenship
5. Universal suffrage
6. Rule of law
”
none of these are reflective of a democracy… in fact, authoritarian systems like monarchies can also have that.
democracy, at the very minimal level, is defined procedurally;
a political system where political power is consistently and periodically, peacefully transfered from civilian to civilian, on the basis of elections where suffrage is almost universal and some civil liberties like freedom of speech etc are guaranteed.
and while i appreciate to good points both sides made, none of what they said actually point to a real democratic trend, tradition or principle within islam.
in fact, if sovereignty belongs to god, it cannot belong to the people!
finally, I agree with Tariq. Islam did not bring about democracy, nor set democratic values as a precedence:
there was NO rule established by Muhammad with which to transfer power, let alone a democratic transition.
the first 4 caliphs were muhammad’s companions and were called ‘the Rightly Guided Caliphs’… and 3 of the four were assassinated! This is not a democratic precedence, but a precedence for a violent removal from power.
And finally, there’s the example of Ayesha, the prophet’s youngest wife: she established a band of people to wage war against Ali, the fourth caliph because of a disagreement on an issue of justice.
This set a precedent counter to democratic values: that of an armed struggle with the only justification needed was a disagreement, which allows for the endangerment of the entire system? As we all know that democracy only works when all the players believe that the only game in town is democracy itself, for once that goes away, democracy can not function.
October 31, 2007 at 3:13 am
Thanks for the points Salahudin.
One will be hard pressed to find a real democracy that doesnt institute some or all of those six principles.
Which authoritarian monarchy allows for the ‘accountability of the ruler?’ None as far as I can tell. The whole point of monarchy is that the ruler is above law. One can find from the earliest epoch and throughout the epoch of Islamic history instances and precedent for the ruler being held to account, which was the point in the discussion. One example is Ali who wanted to seek reparation for his armor being stolen and the Qadi told him he had no proof of his case. Or another is Umar when he was about to convict the drunkard for drinking but was told that he violated the privacy of the individual so was over ruled and there is more through out history. Soroush pointed some aspects especially about an independent judiciary (which is given hell to Musharraf these days)and how it is even more important than elections.
The point of both Soroush and Tariq is that the main question isnt ‘did the Prophet (pbuh) bring democracy (of course he didnt and it would absurd to say that he did) but whether Muslims can have a democratic political system. Two different things.
The question of how to transfer power being open in Islam means exactly that there is a wide room to address the issue. Hence the wide open permissibility of a successive transfer of power. Tariq made the point which I failed to mention, that this would fall in the classical paradigm under the branch of mu’ammalat where the general principle is ‘everything is permissible unless specifically forbidden.’
As for soveringty, then true soveringty does belong to God as the soverign of everything in the Universe, but He has made us also khalifa, vice-gerents on earth. This isnt far different than what some Western Enlightenment thinkers say and certainly doesnt mean that Islam and democracy cant be reconciled, or that people wont have a say in an ‘Islamic’ religous democracy. Another point I failed to mention, that the participants made, in Europe you have as many models of democracy as countries and so it will be the same in the Muslim lands. There will be different models but the principles will be similar. I will continue to expand the discussion in the next part.
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AS (edited)
MT Akbar, how are you? Hey you know the identification of the Masnavi as another Qur’an is not a product of Soroush’s intellectual pondering but rather it is a common saying that resonates with Sufis in Turkey and others in Iran and else where. They say the Masnavi is the Qur’an of the Persian tongue.
As far as Dr. Soroush himself he interests me not so much because he speaks to a Muslim-Western existence (something I feel is important, pertinent, relevant and necessary).
Nor is Soroush interesting to me because he talks about Democracy neither does his rebel tendencies in thought (he was banned from being a religious authority in the West for Shia by Ayatullah Sistani) do much to float the boat.
Rather, that Dr. Soroush is like the only person ascribing to Islam with intellect doing work in “biomedical ethics.” Now for me that is like “woe”!
Dr. Tariq Ramadan, is more of a hallmark figure for me he represents a turning point in Muslim life in the West. He came into the orbit of my Universe of interest because he was like the only Muslim after Dr. Ismail Faruqi in the West that knew the West on its own terms. His ideas were fresh and not stiffled by the Clash of Civilization thesis nor by the notion of the Great Satan.
Also, he emerged as an important character in Islamic tradition in the West for Muslims doing work in philosophy. Ramadan is company in a lonely world.
As for both of them (the question of agreeing or disagreeing with them aside) what I respect in them is their ability to engage the other and engage with rigor. To me this is worth quite a bit and it is very telling of the possibility the Muslim intellect and scholar has in the West or at least in a free society (that possiblity is summed up in one line “reopening the gates of ijtihad).
We may be able to say that what they are doing is actually some new form of ilm al-kalam beyond Islamic fikr (ideology).
Abul-Hussein
–till later bro we need to chat sometime and exercise the mind
Ma Salaama
February 26, 2008 at 5:32 pm
As’salaamu Alaykum Ustadh,
Yes I have heard that this is a common statement in these regions and is not meant as a rival Qur’an. Initially I thought Soroush meant that but in the debate he stated that he believes that Rumi thought of his book as another Qur’an and not just like the Qur’an or similar to it: http://www.drsoroush.com/English/By_DrSoroush/The%20Relationship%20between%20the%20Mathnawi%20and%20the%20Qur‘an%20.html
http://www.drsoroush.com/English/Interviews/E-INT-The%20Word%20of%20Mohammad.html
I was not familiar with his work in bio-ethics, subhanAllah that is amazing and something I would like to learn more about myself. He has made some interesting statements that I would like to see expanded upon about Freedom and Reason in relation to Qur’an. I agree with you in your analysis of both thinkers and what you see as important from them.
I have been following Tariq for quite some time now, though I was initially sceptical of him, it was his work that brought me closer to him.
JazakAllah and inshaAllah I look forward to exercising the mind anytime. Your website is great and beneficial for a lot of us.
Ma3 Salaama,
MT